Instead, they're listeners, many of whom play tracks in the background as they surf the web or are on the go.
"They were good listeners and I was a good listener, and someone said, 'OK, what if we come back to you with alternative ways of generating commercial income?' I said, 'I would love that', we agreed to make a joint statement and that's how we left it.
One thing is clear: they were good listeners.
Collectively they were 288,000 listeners up on the same period in 2010, although the quarter-on-quarter rise of 26,000 was rather more modest.
As Hirschhorn said, "I really liked women in this case because I thought they were better listeners and can withhold judgment".
Their opinions on traditional lectures were that these were " not interactive" and that they were " passive listeners only with little chance to participate".
They may not all be listeners of the Proms on Radio 3, Radio 4's Today programme, 6 Music or users of the BBC News website, which others can't live without.
They were joining older listeners, whose favourite music big bands, oldies, classical, and jazz had disappeared as broadcasters chased the increasingly elusive younger listeners.
"They were really good listeners," Mr. Illingworth said.
They were world-class listeners, the Elizabethans and Jacobeans.
