"In the 90s there was recognition that things needed to be tackled," Fernando responds.
(There was recognition to be offered).
But as well, perhaps more than that: there was recognition.
Otherwise there was recognition for only two people on the frontline of British conservation.
"Most of the teams are supportive, and all round there was recognition that we've got to get it right.
There was recognition too of Her Majesty's chief cabinet maker – and I don't think they meant David Cameron.
There was recognition of the broader principle of the power of a sovereign State to govern the conduct of its citizens on the high seas.
Despite the frustrations, there was recognition that mutual aid was important in bringing the riots to an end – and that some logistical problems were inevitable.
Elsewhere at the awards, which open two months of prize-giving in the US film industry, there was recognition for Oscar favourites as well as some relative outsiders.
There was money, there was recognition, there were audiences hungry for his work but, as he was soon to admit, he would become an angry old man.
There was recognition from Ballack and others that Germany have played better but what they proved for the first time is that they can recover.
