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The full package is well worth listening to - you can find it on the iPlayer here, starting at 2h33m - but what was particularly revealing was the way he got Gus O'Donnell, a former cabinet secretary, to admit that he thought it was the primary duty of civil servants to challenge ministers' policy, not to implement it.
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He said he was particularly surprised that Gus O'Donnell (now Lord O'Donnell), the former cabinet secretary, had told him that the first duty of civil servants was to challenge ministers' proposals, not to implement them.
Senior civil servants are unwilling to challenge ministers over excessive spending because it might damage their career prospects, Whitehall's spending watchdog has said.
Any civil servant who has dared to challenge the political manipulation of news has been elbowed aside or told that he or she has "resigned".
Now fewer civil servants will have the courage to challenge their political masters.
Even within the department, civil servants are seldom in a position to challenge what is going on.
One very experienced former curriculum adviser believes the department's civil servants simply won't know how to challenge the advice that comes from Gove's curriculum appointees.
What we deserve to see climbing out of the wreckage of this is a reformed Whitehall where civil servants with years of experience feel emboldened to challenge ministers.
Whitehall experts have questioned whether whoever gets the job will have sufficient authority to challenge other senior civil servants and address some of the tensions between advisers and ministers.
The fact that Brown's campaign is funded largely by these unions makes it, at least on the surface, unlikely to challenge the hegemony of our putative "civil servants".
Their need for self-transcendence dissolves them in Me.GOD(Revealed to Her loyal and obedient servant, MAJID TEHRANIAN HonoluluSIR—I have no doubt that you published God's obituary to challenge your readers.
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