But the turnout on December 4th has strengthened the democratic camp's determination to push for a clear timetable.Mr Tsang said after the protest that he would see what he could do to "perfect" the package, but he had "little scope" to change it.
Does that not show his determination to push for a serious new deal?
International pressure will be crucial in pushing for Indonesia to at least live up to its obligations under international law – or, at best, to support West Papua's desire for self-determination and push for a referendum, as in East Timor in 1999.
However, it is unclear whether the Kurds will press ahead with self-determination, or push for a more independent entity within a federal Iraq.
In early 2001, I moved to Hong Kong to work for Time magazine in Asia and soon found myself in the Indonesian province of Aceh, where separatist rebels and the military were in the midst of a nasty fight, and then in East Timor, which was trying to compose itself after a vicious round of violence during its push for self-determination.
That, and the fall of France, emboldened the nationalist push for self-determination but also touched off Algeria's terrible war of independence during the 1950s and 1960s.
So was a penchant for transgression coupled with a determination to push cult tastes toward the mainstream.
My inspiration for Zauvage began with a determination to push beyond my usual practice of coaxing the delicate, to one of engaging the bold, lusty and carnal.
The activist, Mako Tabuni, deputy of a group pushing for a referendum on Papuan self-determination, was shot dead while resisting arrest, said a human rights activist, Markus Haluk.
Kurds have accused Turkey, which has long struggled with an internal Kurdish insurgency pushing for self-determination, of allowing IS to do its dirty work and bring Kobane to its knees.
