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"That is not independence, that is foolishness," he added.
Perhaps not independence red in tooth and claw.
"In the US, they celebrate independence day, not independence months".
He has said he wants only genuine autonomy for Tibet, not independence.
So may some of the Tuareg groups demanding autonomy if not independence.
"I wanted autonomy, not independence, but the question [on the ballot paper] wasn't clear.
But for the foreseeable future, autonomy, not independence, is by far the most sensible aim.
The separatists, he said, could enjoy almost unlimited autonomy - but not independence.
Even independence, since colonial forces handed power to local dictators, was not independence.
Sheik Ghazi al-Yawar, the Governing Council member, said: "Federalism is not independence for the Kurds.
It rejects both groups' insistence that they want more autonomy, not independence.
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