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"I have not tried to lobby him," Mr. Frist said.
But he must assert himself over advisers, ministers and godfathers the visiting regional bosses who lobby him.
"We want you to lobby him if you are with us on this issue.
"He doesn't lobby me, I don't lobby him," John Podesta says.
"I do get approached by clients who want me to lobby him, and I probably lose some business because of it," he said.
He went to see him at his palazzo in Rome to lobby him about the situation in Darfur.
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"I lobbied him on the land-mine treaty.
Early last month, he called Mr. Clinton and lobbied him directly.
Not that they were lobbying him of course.
Some fellow conservatives have lobbied him to soften his position, Mr. Long said.
He said that a Kansas-born filmmaker, Josh Swade, lobbied him to buy the papers.
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