They had tough, hard debates, jealousies and rivalries.
And these are just very, very hard debates to settle, because they depend on qualitative assessments (whose conspiracy theory is more round-the-bend and noxious? whose rhetoric tiptoes closest to demagoguery?) that are influenced, overly and covertly, by one's own ideological biases.
But that was virtually the only mention of Trump and the Republicans in a long, hard debate.
There will have been a long, hard debate about the choice at No 12, but Giteau has stood up in major finals for Toulon and helped his team grind out horrible victories when the heat is on.
A European diplomat agreed, saying: "This is going to be a very hard debate". One of the key issues in the debate will be control over Iraq's oil revenues.
Unlike the Democrats' frontrunner, however, she has not had to campaign hard, debate with rivals or spell out policies on inflation, crime and a looming energy crisis - serious problems which could quickly sour her presidency.
To the extent that Benghazi is shorthand for everything that has gone wrong in Libya since the overthrow of Muammar Qaddafi, which the United States supported and contributed to, what is necessary is not an investigation but a hard debate.
Q. Tell me more about this. A. If you are in a really hard debate and somebody veers off the subject and goes after you in a way that isn't fair, you get to ring the bell.
Unlike the US Democrats' frontrunner, however, she has not had to campaign hard, debate with rivals or spell out policies on inflation, crime and a looming energy crisis - serious problems that could quickly sour her presidency.
In almost every democracy, there is a lot of hard debate about the terms on which people of different religions and none can or should co-operate to achieve common goals, which might be social, political or humanitarian.A British think-tank, Theos, is plunging into this discussion.
Using an algorithm in immigration to predict economic performance may sound like a way to avoid a hard debate about immigration, but that is precisely why it is so dangerous.
