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"I will phone referees' chief Mike Riley tomorrow, he will probably agree, but it gets us nothing.
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"It got us nothing".
He said torture "got us nothing except a bad name".
Certainly, sidestepping the issues will get us nothing.
Drama student Victor Le Normand, 23, disagrees: "We're fed up, but violence will get us nothing".
"Look," he told me flatly, "we tried intransigence, and it got us nothing in terms of actually affecting what took place on the island for all those years.
The outgoing Democratic Senate majority leader, Harry Reid, was also firmly behind the intelligence committee in the fight against practices he said had "got us nothing, except a bad name" and were "not in keeping with our country".
It is getting us nothing.
But we know that all or nothing will in the end get us nothing.
Intelligence isn't looking so smart, Torture got us nothing, though the CIA did its part: Renditions and enhanced interrogation, Redacted, of course -- don't embarrass the nation.
As Andrew Neil put in on today's Daily Politics "Nothing gets us more excited than a cabinet reshuffle: we talk about it endlessly, even though we know nothing at all".
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