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Again bit.ly/RceAwF September 16, 2012 Leighton Andrews (@LeightonAndrews) @bbcbreaking @bbcnews why even now do you not get devolution?
"The only way to get devolution is to challenge the established parties effectively at the ballot box.
Scotland and Wales failed to get devolution after referendums in 1979.
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"The whole northern powerhouse thing just feels very hollow to me … This is seen to be a step in getting devolution but it's not.
"One of the handful of the areas where the [public service broadcasting] system is wanting is around reflecting ourselves at a point when you have got devolution and an increasingly multicultural society".
This time it was Scotland leading the way, reforming the payment system shortly after getting devolution and abolishing student tuition fees completely in 2000.
"Once you have got devolution it does not actually help for the British prime minister to be on the phone every five minutes to the Northern Irish parties telling them what to do.
"You can have Ed Miliband and devolution to the Scottish and nothing for the English, or you can have David Cameron and you get Scottish devolution and a proper answer to the English question," he said.
His priority at the time was to get to devolution, he says.
On the Marr programme he said: "We will get Scottish devolution and the English question properly answered".
The cast of economic players has shifted over that time, from Thatcher's development corporations – including the Teesside Development Corporation, near her "wilderness", and its equivalent in London's Docklands – to Labour's regional development agencies, Tory local economic partnerships and, now, the city-regions that are to get new devolution deals in George Osborne's northern powerhouse.
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