On councils, Clegg says there are good councils and bad councils.
Beneath his feet the jumble of good and bad councils go their own ways.
Troops spent the day stacking sandbags but the flooding was so bad the council ran out and begged nearby councils for help.
"We would obviously have preferred more votes, more seats and more councils," Sir Menzies conceded, while the party's election guru Lord Rennard admitted: "The vote share is not bad, the councils are not bad, but we obviously hoped we would do better in other respects".
There are good housing associations and bad, like councils.
It is also throwing good money after bad, because councils end up spending vast amounts with extremely poor results.
It's so bad some councils have even stopped cutting the grass in our local parks.
And the situation is especially bad for provincial council members," she said.
The push for a name change is not the first bad publicity the council has generated amongst Darug people.
