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Even if it's unpopular, the fact that we're having that conversation at all is progress.
But given the many failed European deals, the fact that they are going ahead at all is progress.
Still, that the plans are being written at all is progress, Herring said.
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But it hasn't all been progress since then.
Conditions were ideal: the weather was calm, the water was placid, and all was progressing as planned.
"He really changed the academy and progressed that; the scouting system, the infrastructure at the training ground has all been progressed.
"We think all change is progress.
His favorite, from a book by Wooden: "Although there is no progress without change, not all change is progress".
To that I say, not all change is progress.
But it is progress, all the same.
"But there is movement and any movement at all in this debate is progress.
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